Thread: Sexual offenses in prison: Most offenders Female, most victims Male

Oh, I think there are better reasons that could be given.

There will be those poor widdle female screws who are frightened by the vicious thuggish men that the wicked patriarchy forces them to work with. They wet their pants and of course have to change them.

And there are some who will have there heads turned by the subtle and honeyed words whispered by Dick the rapist in cell clock four and his cauliflowered-ear mate Basher who completed grade three.

And so many who were simply overcome by testosterone poisoning and fainted into nearby manly arms.

But the ordinary woman there will have just 'followed her heart', seduced by a 'Charismatic' drug dealer, and just 'couldn't help herself' because she had been 'neglected at home' by an 'inconsiderate' husband.

The bastard !

TMOTS has repeatedly debunked the Bureau of Justice's statistics validity, so I'm inclined to say that these stats are not to be believed. Also, we're not talking about "under-aged" victims here, we're talking about men over the age of 18 who were not forced into sexual relationships with female staff. The differences between that and coercion or rape are obvious. That is not to say that these relationships are appropriate (they are not), they are definitely unethical.

In my opinion, prison rape (male to male) is still a far more serious crime, and one that is repeatedly either minimized or ignored.

It's similar to the revelations about torture in Iraq - who could believe that sweet little American ladies would enjoy hurting and humiliating male prisoners?

I'm in agreement with those who aren't falling for this... It just seems odd. Mind you, in disagreement with Tera... those women who excert power over male inmates may well be using coercion to satisfy their sexual needs. Whether it be a man doing it, or a woman - it's wrong... Just because the inmate agrees, doesn't imply it is wholesome.
Wardens have ways of making life 'difficult' for inmates...

sexual relations of any kind between prison employees and inmates are considered nonconsensual by law because of the inherent power that staff have over prisoners.

That said we must reverse the genders in our head. If females were the victims we see ugly bad prison guards exploiting poor female prisoners. When we think of such a relationship we think about rape. But the other way arround there are those cute little female guards faling in love with those brutal prisoners. They must be lucky at least they get sex.

This is a stupid bias. There is a reason the state considers this as nonconsensual (rape) because of the sheer amount of power a prison guard has (Oh look what I found in inmates #4711 cell. +3 years). The offenders can even monitor him 24/7.

I also believe that inmate on inmate rape is the far bigger problem. I just wanted to mention this because this is violence that gets overseen. Especially when the offenders are female and the victims are male.

Originally Posted by Feckless

sexual relations of any kind between prison employees and inmates are considered nonconsensual by law because of the inherent power that staff have over prisoners.

That said we must reverse the genders in our head. If females were the victims we see ugly bad prison guards exploiting poor female prisoners. When we think of such a relationship we think about rape. But the other way arround there are those cute little female guards faling in love with those brutal prisoners. They must be lucky at least they get sex.

This is a stupid bias. There is a reason the state considers this as nonconsensual (rape) because of the sheer amount of power a prison guard has (Oh look what I found in inmates #4711 cell. +3 years). The offenders can even monitor him 24/7.

I also believe that inmate on inmate rape is the far bigger problem. I just wanted to mention this because this is violence that gets overseen. Especially when the offenders are female and the victims are male.

So how many female guards work in male prisons, and are there any documented cases of female wardens raping male jail birds?

And as for those mixed sex jails you -- have any data on inmate vs. inmate rapes there? And how many mixed sex jails are there anyway?

Links please...

Ps.: I think you're talking complete kack, and worst of all it, you don't have to, the situation is bad enough as is without you inventing this kind of rubbish. But eh, prove me wrong and I'll apologize gladly.

Also, we're not talking about "under-aged" victims here, we're talking about men over the age of 18 who were not forced into sexual relationships with female staff.

But we are talking about taking advantage of men, aren't we.

As with most aspects of sexual relationships, women are very quick to take advantage of men's open desire for sex, just as a scalper at a footy match takes advantage of a punter hoping to find someone with a spare ticket.

Men in prison do not have a free choice, or much of a choice at all. We all too often hear of women demanding 'choices' but what of a man who sees very few women because he is locked up? His choices are limited to the horney female guard or "Basher" Bloggs with the cauliflower ear and the Janet and John colouring book. Basher, by the way, has a mental age of 12. So much for 'under-age')

And just as the woman who takes advantage and can blame the chap or dismiss him or disrespect him because of his desire for her, so can the female prison guard blame the prisoner.

Good points, all.

But how do we know that the male libido has nothing to do with this, or that the prisoners themselves aren't looking for these sorts of relationships? Maybe some of them understand that with a sexual relationship comes privileges they would not otherwise have...not just sex, but other things, as well?

Though that being said, I'm not denying that the whole thing is unethical and an abuse of power by the staff. I'm just saying that it may not be that all of these guys are being abused...some of them might be looking for just this sort of thing...encouraging it, instigating it, so that their lives in jail/prison are somewhat more comfortable than they would be otherwise. Some of these guys know how to manipulate, just as some of these women do.

Originally Posted by Nepenthes

So how many female guards work in male prisons, and are there any documented cases of female wardens raping male jail birds?

Just have the numbers from the study on prison sexual offences:

Roughly half of all sexual impropriety reported in U.S. prisons and jails last year was perpetrated by correctional staff, not inmates. Female staff were the offenders in two-thirds of the prison cases, and two-thirds of the victims of prison staff were male inmates [...] there were 344 substantiated incidents of staff sexual misconduct and harassment reported by authorities last year. But experts believe incidents are underreported, and the bureau study notes that many allegations remain under investigation. [...] While there is an element of supposed romance noted in many of the cases, sexual relations of any kind between prison employees and inmates are considered nonconsensual by law because of the inherent power that staff have over prisoners. In Virginia it is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

By law sex between an inmate and a guard is considered nonconsensual, doesn´t that mean rape?

Originally Posted by Nepenthes

And as for those mixed sex jails you -- have any data on inmate vs. inmate rapes there? And how many mixed sex jails are there anyway?

Links please...

I don´t know, that wasn´t my point anyway. As I said before: "I also believe that inmate on inmate rape is the far bigger problem. I just wanted to mention this because this is violence that gets overseen. Especially when the offenders are female and the victims are male."

Originally Posted by Nepenthes

Ps.: I think you're talking complete kack, and worst of all it, you don't have to, the situation is bad enough as is without you inventing this kind of rubbish. But eh, prove me wrong and I'll apologize gladly.

Well I didn´t invent it but I guess you can blame it on the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics and as far as I understood this, they just checked out 344 substantiated incidents of staff sexual misconduct and harassment reported by authorities last year. So you think they made those cases up?

The interesting point on this topic imho is the bias that falls into the males are bad females are good schema: female guard on male inmate -> He is lucky to get sex / male guard on female inmate -> He is exploiting her she gets raped.

Originally Posted by TERA

Good points, all.

But how do we know that the male libido has nothing to do with this, or that the prisoners themselves aren't looking for these sorts of relationships? Maybe some of them understand that with a sexual relationship comes privileges they would not otherwise have...not just sex, but other things, as well?

Tera you can say the exact same thing on homosexual inmate sex. Look what one victim said:

“I had no choice but to enter into a relationship with another inmate in my dorm in order to keep the rest of them off of me. In exchange for his protection from other inmates, I had to be with him sexually any time he demanded it. It was so humiliating, and I often cried silently at night in my bed … but dealing with one is better than having 10 or more men demanding sex from you at any given time.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,2240882.story

He understood that with a sexual relationship comes privileges (protection) he would not otherwise have.

Oh some interesting facts from above article:

Research by the University of South Dakota's Cindy Struckman-Johnson found that 20% of prisoners reported being coerced or pressured into sex, and 10% said they were violently raped. In a 2007 survey by the U.S. Department of Justice, more than 60,000 inmates claimed to have been sexually victimized by other inmates during the previous 12 months. Given the stigma around admitting such harms, the true numbers are probably substantially higher.

Interesting with the thread-starting study we know that there are only 344 cases reported. Talk about tip-of-the-iceberg.

Originally Posted by TERA

In my opinion, prison rape (male to male) is still a far more serious crime, and one that is repeatedly either minimized or ignored.

It's not ignored. It's now so much part of the prison culture that it's part of the punishment.