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    Police want power to tackle repeated domestic bullies


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    Police want power to tackle repeated domestic bullies

    Police will today call for a new crime to be introduced to
    prosecute men who carry out low-level psychological or physical
    abuse of their wife.

    Officers say the creation of a 'course of conduct' offence would
    allow them to drag to court men who currently escape
    punishment by repeatedly committing more minor acts against
    their partner.

    It is part of a concerted attempt by the police and Government
    to ensure as many wife beaters as possible are punished.

    Women's groups however said police could better spend their time and resources on enforcing existing laws. The idea of placing a 'course of conduct' crime on the statute book is part of a review of domestic violence by Wiltshire Chief Constable Brian Moore.

    He will also suggest serial wife-beaters are forced to register with police, in order for their movements and activities to be tracked.

    Controversially, vulnerable women and girls may also be given a 'right to know' about persistent offenders if police feel they are at risk. Such a policy has echoes of 'Sarah's law', under which women with young children can ask the police if any potential new partner has a conviction for sex offences.

    It could mean a woman checking a partner's background if they have justifiable concerns they may be violent.

    Other measures to be outlined by Mr Moore will focus on making witness statements immediately available and widening the use of conditional cautioning.

    Sandra Horley, of national domestic violence charity Refuge, said police should focus on getting the basics right, not drawing up new proposals. She said: 'If the police were trained to respond appropriately the very first time a man beats a woman, it would stop him from becoming a serial offender.'

    Ministers have recently promoted a string of measures to tackle domestic violence.

    Home Secretary Alan Johnson has announced suspected violent men will be banned from their own homes even if police do not press charges.

    At present, a person can be kept away from their home address only if they are charged with a crime, and it is made a condition of their bail.

    Alternatively, the alleged victims must seek a civil injunction.
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    Re: Police want power to tackle repeated domestic bullies

    This is typical police behavior when it comes to sensationalized issues. Much like the "war on drugs" in this country as well as the violence against women act, emotionally charged issues are used to garner more resources, money, and power for the police.
    And make no mistake, this type of thing is at the root of all kinds of totalitarianism.
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    This law is utterly corrupt, where's the law to prosecute husband-beaters and incarcecate them on the base of a single 911 call?

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    Re: Police want power to tackle repeated domestic bullies

    Notice that there is no mention whatsoever of the male victims of domestic violence, nor of female perpetrators.

    Biased news reports such as this fuel the stereotype that domestic violence is something which is solely perpetrated by men against women in heterosexual relationships.

    Although media coverage of male victims of domestic violence is gradually increasing, it remains tokenistic at best.
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    Re: Police want power to tackle repeated domestic bullies

    This HAS to be strongly opposed.

    The issue of female perpetrated domestic violence and abuse against their male partners has appeared in the news with increasing frequency.
    The TRUE statistics are tentatively being looked at.
    The use of this "law", or similar laws which serve to exclusively protect women from domestic violence and abuse whilst denying men equal protection is unjustifiable and unacceptable.

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    Notice how the feminists don't like it.

    That is very telling, when was the last time feminists were against DV laws, what, are they pro-abuser?

    I don't think so. Notice how it's the police that came up with this law.

    Many MRA have stated that the women would be the next victims to the DV fraud going on in the west.

    I think they are starting to get the idea and know their next.

    I think they also know it would be much easier to document a woman's harrassment at home so this law could put alot of women out of their houses if current moves to make DV gender neutral keep moving forward.

    I don't like the DV laws and think they are unconstitutional. This law should be fought by us but, if it passes, we need to start recommending documentation of every hurtful thing cup cake says and does.

    Then, when she pulls the vanishing trick, use our documentation to prove who was the real abuser.

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    Re: Police want power to tackle repeated domestic bullies

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    This HAS to be strongly opposed.

    The issue of female perpetrated domestic violence and abuse against their male partners has appeared in the news with increasing frequency.
    The TRUE statistics are tentatively being looked at.
    The use of this "law", or similar laws which serve to exclusively protect women from domestic violence and abuse whilst denying men equal protection is unjustifiable and unacceptable.
    Can it still be prevented from passing?

    Notice how the feminists don't like it.
    Where? I haven't read any proper article by them which expresses that.
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    Well, if we can believe the article then we ought to believe most of it for the sake of discussion.

    It says that women think that they do not need a new law and we should instead enforce existing laws.

    Also, if you look at the comments, one of the first comments (by a woman) says that she thinks many men would love to go down to the constable and complain about nagging.

    This comment got 111 up ticks, when most are getting like 30. So, this is evidence, although prelimary and slight, that women are becoming concerned about their vulnrability to DV laws.

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    Quote Quote from rohara View Post
    This is typical police behavior when it comes to sensationalized issues. Much like the "war on drugs" in this country as well as the violence against women act, emotionally charged issues are used to garner more resources, money, and power for the police.
    And make no mistake, this type of thing is at the root of all kinds of totalitarianism.
    Quite right. Police should enforce laws not make them. Police should have at least as many restrictions on them as members of the military do with regard to participating in politics. Here in the U.S. and probably most nominally free countries military personnel:
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    women are becoming concerned about their vulnrability to DV laws.
    yeah, women are not stupid, they will endorse laws which penalize men, and benefit them, but they know when to stop and protect themselves.

    the problem is, by that time, they've created a monster.

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    It is part of a concerted attempt by the police and Government
    to ensure as many wife beaters as possible are punished.
    Wrong, it's to ensure as many men as possible are punished, irrespective of guilt.

    He will also suggest serial wife-beaters are forced to register with police, in order for their movements and activities to be tracked.
    This was discussed on an early morning BBC programme yesterday.

    The proposal is that if two women only allege some sort of domestic violence (even retrospectively going back many years) without any proof whatsoever, then the man will remain on this list for a lifetime and essentially his life will be ruined. This is not only an infringement on civil liberties, but it sets up a charter for vindictive women to ruin a man's life at whim (as if there wasn't enough judicial weapons to do this already!).

    There was a representative from Real Fathers 4 Justice there that gave a good account.

    Another man told how 13 years ago he poked his wife in the arm with his finger. The police were called and he was arrested, later convicted. He was then unable to see his son for 12 years because of this.

    This man asked a feminist guest whether she thought he should go onto such a list for merely poking his ex-wifes arm and have his life ruined, after some slithering around she basically said yes.

    The presenter of the show playing the devils advocate (although not clearly enough) asked the feminist why shouldn't women be on this list. She lied saying male victims only accounted for something like 12%, the RF4J chap said that it was 40% according to the British Crime Survey by the Home Office. The feminist looked embarrassed and replied that she didn't believe his figures. He came back and said, "they aren't my figures, but the governments." She shut up then. Also, when pressed about women who might abuse this and make false allegations against a man, she said something to the effect of "well it's not that bad a thing." Sound familiar?

    The presenter also engaged in an erroneous tactic of stating, as if it were a fact, that only a small percentage of women report DV (can't remember the exact figure stated), but of course how would anybody know that if it's not reported. Rely on feminist 'guesstimates'? I think not!

    Here's a link to the programme.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode..._2_Episode_42/

    It begins at 41.45. Slide the pointer at the bottom and let it buffer a few minutes.
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    I don't loive in Brittan but I wonder if anybody there can tell me what the possibility is of this thing going through. It just seems like it would be a total disaster for men in that country.
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    I don't think so. Notice how it's the police that came up with this law.
    It's never quite as it seems.

    Looking at the full story it seems the idea originated from a more insidious and predictable source.

    Officers, who produced the plan on the orders of former Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, insist more needs to be done to protect women from violence.
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    It's never quite as it seems.

    Looking at the full story it seems the idea originated from a more insidious and predictable source.
    yes ofcourse, Jaqui Smith.

    what a disaster the women have turned out to be in cabinet.

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    Then men need to counter this with video evidence,if a man is living in a violent situation at the hand's of a women,then video it,and store it so you can access it anywhere,we have seen how affective this is in many false rape allegations,case after case showed that the women lied,this is our only independent witness,the slam dunk of proof.


 
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