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Oral Argument in Crespo to be Webcast Jan. 6

This is a discussion on Oral Argument in Crespo to be Webcast Jan. 6 within the Abuse - DV anti misandry forums, part of the Closed Forums category; I received an e-mail alert from RADAR (shown below) saying that oral arguments will be webcast live on January 6. ...

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    Oral Argument in Crespo to be Webcast Jan. 6


    I received an e-mail alert from RADAR (shown below) saying that oral arguments will be webcast live on January 6. For those who are unaware, there is a case in the United States, in the state of New Jersey (east coast, just south of New York City), known as Crespo. The case was argued by men's rights attorney David Heleniak. The case is challenging the ease with which restraining orders are issued by courts in the state of New Jersey. In the U.S., there are two standards for judicial action: one lax, and the other strict. Strict standards constrain courts from acting, and in this case that's the outcome that we MRAs desire. We want courts to apply a strict standard of proof before denying someone the right to enter their home or approach members of their family; right now, restraining orders are unjustly handed out like candy, using the more lax standard. Months ago, Mr. Heleniak successfully challenged New Jersey's lax restraining order policies in a lower court. But the state's appellate courts blocked the lower court's order, pending a new hearing before the New Jersey Supreme Court. And that's where we are today. If the court rules in our favor -- upholding the lower court's decision in favor of a strict standard -- then freedom will win the day.

    Heleniak is going to be delivering oral arguments in support of the lower court's prior ruling and in favor of a strict standard on the issuance of restraining orders. Keep your fingers crossed and WATCH the fireworks on Wednesday! See the links below, and please note the time (12 noon EST, which is -5 Greenwich Mean Time).





    RADAR ALERT:

    Oral Argument in Crespo to be Webcast Jan. 6


    Oral arguments in the Crespo case will be webcast live at 12:00 noon, Eastern Standard Time, on Wednesday, January 6, 2010.
    The webcast can be viewed at Supreme Court Webcast.

    The court's schedule for the day is at Upcoming Supreme Court Arguments.
    Date of RADAR Release: January 4, 2010
    R.A.D.A.R. – Respecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting – is a non-profit, non-partisan organization of men and women working to improve the effectiveness of our nation's approach to solving domestic violence. http://www.mediaradar.org

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    Re: Oral Argument in Crespo to be Webcast Jan. 6

    I hope someone will be kind enough to write about it and perhaps provide a transcript.

    I would like to hear/see the arguements that are put.

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    Love the Sinner but not the Sin.
    (St. Augustine)

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
    against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. “
    (and within ourselves)
    (Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)

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    offer kindness but keep your sword drawn.
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    Re: Oral Argument in Crespo to be Webcast Jan. 6

    The case is being argued live right now. If you're reading this message in time, watch it!

    For background about the Crespo case, here's a PDF on the court's Web site:
    http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/web...ob_A_28_09.pdf

    P.S.: Percy, the case is being transcribed ("captioned") live (the transcript can be seen to the right of the live video feed). That implies that a full transcript may be available after the fact. However, if it's possible, I may be able to copy and paste the text in the captioning window and make it available here. It's a java applet so I'm not sure of copying and pasting is possible, or if the full text will be in the applet's buffer. Worth a shot, though.
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    Re: Oral Argument in Crespo to be Webcast Jan. 6

    The hearing just concluded. The attorney representing our side as MRAs, David Heleniak, was allowed much more time to articulate his arguments than was the case for the opposition. He pointed out that restraining orders are unique in that they carry a penalty for alleged violations of jail time (via civil contempt of court), but do not afford the defendant sufficient opportunity to gather evidence in his or her defense (since the family home is off-limits). Heleniak also pointed out that the so-called "preponderance" standard currently in place restricts U.S. constitutional freedoms to bear arms, although he indicated that this point was not central to his argument. Mostly he focused on the stigma that is attached to defendants who are subject to restraining orders. They are placed on a domestic violence offender registry, and this can significantly impede their ability to exercise parental rights in family court. One justice asked Heleniak whether there was empirical evidence that a restraining order can be used against a parent in family court, and Heleniak responded that he only had anecdotal evidence, but reminded the justice that such anecdotal accounts were a part of the record that was submitted to the trial court judge at an earlier time and thus available for the justices to consider. In addition, the stigma of a restraining order, as Heleniak pointed out, follows a defendant wherever he or she goes: during a routine traffic stop, when applying for a job, when serving as a clerk for a judicial government organization, and numerous other venues.

    The justices, as with most appellate court arguments, played devil's advocate against both opposing attorneys. One comment that a male justice posed to Heleniak was that civil contempt orders are not limited to restraining orders but are widely implemented -- and considered acceptable and legitimate -- in other types of cases. He wanted to know why restraining orders deserve special scrutiny. To this, Heleniak again pointed to the stigma associated with a restraining order, the placement on a DV offender registry, the negative impact it has on one's parental rights in custody determinations, the difficulty it poses in obtaining or retaining employment, and the essential impediments that it poses to the defendant to collect evidence in his own defense (as he is blocked by the order from approaching the family home).

    The opposing attorney was comparatively very brief. She argued that defendants are not automatically incarcerated by a restraining order and therefore should not have the same rights as criminal defendants, who usually are facing some form of incarceration. She also argued that defendants never actually have to contend with a "permanent" restraining order, because they always retain the right to approach the civil court and petition for it to be removed; such is not the case for defendants with a criminal conviction on their record. She also cited legislative and judicial precedents that support the status quo, which she supports. Her oral arguments seemed to have been cut short when she indicated that the briefs that she had filed with the court were more extensive. The court then adjourned for a brief recess before taking up its next case.

    In terms of delivery, although Heleniak seemed to hit all the right points in his oral arguments, he seemed short of breath and extremely nervous, also using the word "um" repeatedly as he articulated his arguments. On at least two occasions a justice asked him to sum up his arguments and to indicate what he was asking for. I think that this may possibly end up being of minor importance, especially since the court had already heard cases before this one and was about to hear subsequent cases. Because the court will spend so much time hearing oral arguments on other cases, it seems reasonable to conclude that the justices may tend to rely more heavily on the transcripts of the arguments in this case and the written briefs submitted by the attorneys. To his credit, Heleniak did "cover the bases" in my opinion, and I think that the transcript will reflect that.

    If Heleniak is successful, the New Jersey Supreme Court will reverse the ruling of the appellate court and affirm the original ruling by the trial court, requiring judges in the state to observe a stricter standard in whether to issue a restraining order. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a favorable outcome. Good job, David!

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    Re: Oral Argument in Crespo to be Webcast Jan. 6

    Thank you JD. That was an excellent overview of the contest.

    Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum
    Love the Sinner but not the Sin.
    (St. Augustine)

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
    against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. “
    (and within ourselves)
    (Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)

    A Feminist is a human being who has lost her way and turned vicious.
    If you meet one on the road as you Go your Own Way,
    offer kindness but keep your sword drawn.
    (Me)






 

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