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Originally Posted by chevalier  Well what the hell are we supposed to do then Rob also has an argument that we are just spinning our fucking wheels all to no avail for men. I guess we should just give up because we are not going to win anyway there is no way to ensure that we are treated fairly our children have no rights to both parents and doing anything to get our kids access to both parents as Rob appears to beleive will not bebefit anyone. And now Drex my freind if I understand you properly then we are wasting our time trying to be treated in an equitable manner because of the obvious differences between the sexes. So what should we do Rob wants us to be underhanded and take on communist behavior and it would seem Drex you may think the whole fight is worth nothing. Am I wasting my time hoping and working to get men to come together and get them to work for men to be treated as more than slaves and atm machines? |
Not at all, because by coming together, to do practical things, we can actually make a difference.. The easy answer, if anyone wants a one line summary, is to imagine what YOU as an idividual would do if you had the "old fashioned" presumed head of family in your marraige?
That is why we need just that.. And the issues of what is equitable, fair, or whatever would no doubt be decided effectively by the head of the family.. We just dont need a third party "state" agent or 12 telling us what to do..
Shared parenting is most effective within intact families for example, and its my view that if we want to start talking about the "rights" of children, then arseholes to a bunch of divorced/seperated folk setting the agenda, lets just say right, children have a right to both parents, they have a right for their parents to shut the fuck up, they have a right for their parents to live under the same roof, they have rights.. etc..
Thing is, the folk claiming the rights of kids are hiding behind them.. In order to get their own "rights"! Pretty weak ploy really!
Although it may seem only a detail point, and no doubt fucking annoying chev! it is important that we as men state the fucking obvious, we just know better than women as to how to allocate and delagate responsibilities! (and if we didnt, we are likely tp let them get on with it (hence the delagative aspect!))..
I would shift the emphasis off the "rights based" model, because men, basically, dont have any fucking rights, and thats normal in any society, we dont need them.. We are more likely to get our "rights" by taking the attitude that they are our "duties"..
We dont have "rights" as fathers, we have duties as fathers.. and we know our fucking duties..
I am of the opinion that we simply must move away from the language of the femininazi's because if we dont fight with our own made and desgined weapons, we are playing on their turf all the time..
Let them learn what we are doing and come to understand us, because they will need us!!