Well what the hell are we supposed to do then Rob also has an argument that we are just spinning our fucking wheels all to no avail for men. I guess we should just give up because we are not going to win anyway there is no way to ensure that we are treated fairly our children have no rights to both parents and doing anything to get our kids access to both parents as Rob appears to beleive will not bebefit anyone. And now Drex my freind if I understand you properly then we are wasting our time trying to be treated in an equitable manner because of the obvious differences between the sexes. So what should we do Rob wants us to be underhanded and take on communist behavior and it would seem Drex you may think the whole fight is worth nothing. Am I wasting my time hoping and working to get men to come together and get them to work for men to be treated as more than slaves and atm machines?